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 Post subject: Re: So why are they all against the Brexit deal?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 4:23 pm 
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I wonder why much of the world wants to live here and will break a gut trying?
Is it because we are the fifth economic power in the world
Have given a language to the world
Have a history to be proud of.
We founded Democracy?
No wonder we are well thought of!

Aside from the economy, the other points are.... pointless...

Persia was big on the world stage.... for a while

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 Post subject: Re: So why are they all against the Brexit deal?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 05, 2019 6:32 pm 
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Dong wrote:
I wonder why much of the world wants to live here and will break a gut trying?
Is it because we are the fifth economic power in the world
Have given a language to the world
Have a history to be proud of.
We founded Democracy?
No wonder we are well thought of!

You may be well thought of, but you still havent given any reason why Britain is anywhere near the second most dominant world power. Dominant in what way exactly?


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 Post subject: Re: So why are they all against the Brexit deal?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 1:32 am 
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fastcars wrote:
Dong wrote:
I wonder why much of the world wants to live here and will break a gut trying?
Is it because we are the fifth economic power in the world
Have given a language to the world
Have a history to be proud of.
We founded Democracy?
No wonder we are well thought of!

You may be well thought of, but you still havent given any reason why Britain is anywhere near the second most dominant world power. Dominant in what way exactly?

By offering the freedom to aspire.


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 Post subject: Re: So why are they all against the Brexit deal?
PostPosted: Sun Jan 06, 2019 2:04 am 
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Hmmm... well soon all those British troops defending Europe will need visa's.
After Brexit the government may close bases down in Germany


Antwerp Barracks, 20th Armoured Brigade.
Mansergh Barracks, 26th Regiment Royal Artillery.
Normandy Barracks, Personnel Recovery Centre.
Bielefeld Station Rhine, HQ British Forces Germany.

100,000 troops will be re deployed outside the EU.

NATO isn’t the EU... Canada and the US also station troops across EU countries..


Canada and the US relationship change with the EU after German unification. Bases were closed, troops deployed elsewhere.

While US and Canadian troops can move freely if there under "military orders", there familys can't.

Dependents are required to apply for a visa before arriving in the EU and had to pay a fee of around 400 euros per person, though the money was later reimbursed by their own governments

With Russia falling apart, the cost of unification...... Germany saw little point in continuing to pay for the occupation started in 1945.

The UK is an EU and a NATO member. They reduced there operations in Germany too. Writing off Germany's war debt in the process.

Around 2008 Russia invaded Georgia and EU requested more troops once again. Canada decided they would not sent troops without a new trade deal that was finalized a few years ago.

The Americans did the same with the "Transatlantic Trade and Investment Partnership (TTIP)" in 2010 and negotiations are still on going.

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 Post subject: Re: So why are they all against the Brexit deal?
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The EU still isn’t NATO...

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 Post subject: Re: So why are they all against the Brexit deal?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 9:50 am 
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The EU still isn’t NATO...


Hmmm..... yes and no :think:

You just have to look at Turkey complicated relationship with the EU. They do have a sort of EU customs union. :rolleyes:

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Turkey is not a member of the EU but its closer relationship with the EU dates back to the early years of the EU’s foundation. Turkey applied for an association membership of the then European Economic Community (the EEC) in 1959. Four years later it signed an association agreement with the EEC, commonly known as the Ankara Agreement (for more on association agreements, see our explainer), which included setting up the process to create a customs union between Turkey and the EEC.

In 1970 the two signed the Additional Protocol to the Ankara Agreement which removed tariffs and quantitative restrictions on industrial goods in bilateral trade. The EU-Turkey CU was finally established on 1 January 1996 by Decision No 1/95 of the EC-Turkey Association Council (the CU Decision).

The creation of the EU-Turkey CU facilitated trade between the two partners. Turkey is now the EU’s fifth trading partner which amounts to around 4% of total EU foreign trade. The EU is Turkey’s largest market with a share of 40.6% in Turkey’s global trade, a number similar to that of the UK exports in goods and services to the EU. The largest share of EU-Turkey trade in goods is in machinery and transport equipment (around 44%).


http://ukandeu.ac.uk/explainers/eu-turk ... oms-union/

Turkey's in NATO and a strategic ally of the United States. Given there record on human rights and attacking Cyprus in the 1970's, it hard to understand why the EU is even considered Turkey for a sort of "customs union" and didn't end trade deals after Cyprus. Its clear without NATO membership Turkey would have faced years of political and trade sanctions after invading Cyprus.

All you can say is: membership of NATO and trade deal with the EU go hand in hand :think:

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 Post subject: Re: So why are they all against the Brexit deal?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:44 am 
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tiggy wrote:
The EU still isn’t NATO...


Hmmm..... yes and no :think:

You just have to look at Turkey complicated relationship with the EU. They do have a sort of EU customs union. :rolleyes:

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Turkey is not a member of the EU but its closer relationship with the EU dates back to the early years of the EU’s foundation. Turkey applied for an association membership of the then European Economic Community (the EEC) in 1959. Four years later it signed an association agreement with the EEC, commonly known as the Ankara Agreement (for more on association agreements, see our explainer), which included setting up the process to create a customs union between Turkey and the EEC.

In 1970 the two signed the Additional Protocol to the Ankara Agreement which removed tariffs and quantitative restrictions on industrial goods in bilateral trade. The EU-Turkey CU was finally established on 1 January 1996 by Decision No 1/95 of the EC-Turkey Association Council (the CU Decision).

The creation of the EU-Turkey CU facilitated trade between the two partners. Turkey is now the EU’s fifth trading partner which amounts to around 4% of total EU foreign trade. The EU is Turkey’s largest market with a share of 40.6% in Turkey’s global trade, a number similar to that of the UK exports in goods and services to the EU. The largest share of EU-Turkey trade in goods is in machinery and transport equipment (around 44%).


http://ukandeu.ac.uk/explainers/eu-turk ... oms-union/

Turkey's in NATO and a strategic ally of the United States. Given there record on human rights and attacking Cyprus in the 1970's, it hard to understand why the EU is even considered Turkey for a sort of "customs union" and didn't end trade deals after Cyprus. Its clear without NATO membership Turkey would have faced years of political and trade sanctions after invading Cyprus.

All you can say is: membership of NATO and trade deal with the EU go hand in hand :think:

No you can’t. All countries outside of the EU have negotiated their own deals with the trading block, whether they’re part of NATO or not. You’re just throwing random and irrelevant facts in, in an attempt to bolster your argument..

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 Post subject: Re: So why are they all against the Brexit deal?
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So why only Turkey [shrug65465.gif]

Why not the North African states like Morocco or Egypt :whistle:

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 Post subject: Re: So why are they all against the Brexit deal?
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I don’t know of any North African countries that are in either NATO or the EU..

You’re waffling..

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 Post subject: Re: So why are they all against the Brexit deal?
PostPosted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 7:41 pm 
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Well let's look at Morocco :whistle:

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In 1987, Morocco applied to join the European Communities (the precursor to the European Union). The application was rejected on the grounds that Morocco was not considered to be a "European country" and hence could not join. This geographic membership criterion was later enshrined in the Copenhagen criteria.


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Major non-NATO ally (MNNA) is a designation given by the United States government to close allies that have strategic working relationships with the US Armed Forces but are not members of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization (NATO).


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Major_non-NATO_ally

Morocco is part of the MNNA

Morocco is 10 miles from Spain, not in NATO and rejected by the EU on the grounds its "outside" europe unlike Turkey :think:

Unlike Turkey that's a few miles south of Ireland [rofl02.gif]

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