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 Post subject: Re: Art definition
PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 3:00 pm 
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f politics wrote:
Exactly, but I don't see that as remotely art form, like I said taradiddle, pretentious clap trap. Maybe that's just my ignorance however.


It's not ignorance ...
it's personal preference.

Difference is what makes us interesting and should be celebrated.


Meh.
I doubt I'm making a modicum of sense.


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 Post subject: Re: Art definition
PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:23 pm 
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Sex can promote an emotional response negative and positive I don't see that as art either, unless it's done very bloody well lol.


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 Post subject: Re: Art definition
PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 4:31 pm 
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Lol.


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 Post subject: Re: Art definition
PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2017 9:36 pm 
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cont. on page 273. . . .

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f politics wrote:
Sex can promote an emotional response negative and positive I don't see that as art either, unless it's done very bloody well lol.


Art can be done well or badly . . .


I remember going to see the 'pile of bricks' - Equivalent VIII - at the Tate Gallery, having little inclination towards modern art, having dismissed the idea of it as pretentious nonsense but feeling really curious.

Something about being in the same room made me think about all sorts of things, including:

Art as a response rather than a creation;
'who decides what is art?';
what shaped my definition of art;
what stops me from recognising something as art;

More specifically:

dislocation - seeing something out of context
the care involved in selecting materials, arranging them, maintaining the form;
the challenge of seeing the seemingly everyday in a 'select' environment;
Reverence vs dismissal;
Why I find it hard to value something when (because?) it is made up of materials that are actually more important to me on a day to day basis than those which make up the Mona Lisa;

Not that I ever overthink anything . . .


http://www2.tate.org.uk/archivejourneys ... public.htm


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 Post subject: Re: Art definition
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 1:04 am 
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Art is beauty, in words or paint, or music or form.

There are hideous works that are called art but they are not...they remain hideous even though they are artistic.

Art causes your hair to stand, your heart to sing and your tears, sometimes, to run.

Art is uplifting...art is beauty!


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 Post subject: Re: Art definition
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 7:24 am 
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cont. on page 273. . . .

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So sex can be art - or have I just been lucky? [giggle.gif]


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 Post subject: Re: Art definition
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 9:26 am 
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If I look at a painting and have to ask what it is, then it’s not art... rather someone’s interpretation..

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 Post subject: Re: Art definition
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:05 am 
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cont. on page 273. . . .

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tiggy wrote:
If I look at a painting and have to ask what it is, then it’s not art... rather someone’s interpretation..


That's an interesting perspective. It's given me the first insight on why Tracy Emin's "Bed" ls art, because it is obvious that is what it says on the label. It is also similar to the explanation that eventually made sense of some of Picasso's work, which I never 'got' before, for me - it is what you see.

For me it's problematic because it would Claude Monet's "Sunrise" because it's not as clear. But then many art lovers of the day would rejected Impressionism

Perhaps the very thing that makes an object or idea difficult to see as artistic for one person is what makes it art for another.


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 Post subject: Re: Art definition
PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2017 10:11 am 
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cont. on page 273. . . .

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I left out the words "disqualify" and "have" from the line referring to Claude Monet. Sorry.


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 Post subject: Re: Art definition
PostPosted: Mon Oct 16, 2017 11:52 am 
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I fail to see, as has been posted, that an object of art may be seen as a work of genius, by one person whereas another will say it is crude, or worse.

The object remains the same, whoever studies it. Surely it is people who are the real artists, seeing what they want, or expect to see, sometimes being surprised, or shocked. It is wrong to list artistic works anything other than as objects...let the labels be applied by the viewers, not the industry.

or...I know what I like. [thumbsup.png]


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