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 Post subject: Can you be both a Tory and a Christian?
PostPosted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 8:59 am 
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May is the daughter of a vicar and goes toChurch. Andrea Leadsrom also claims to be a Christian.

Both are Tories who are happy to let old people live in poverty and to enable their rich friends to continue to amass wealth. They both openly support fox hunting.

Being a Tory and being a Christian is incompatible as they are two separate ends of a very long spectrum.

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 Post subject: Re: Can you be both a Tory and a Christian?
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Are you saying when labour were running the country old people were well off ?

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Religion and politics are like oil and water..

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 Post subject: Re: Can you be both a Tory and a Christian?
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cont. on page 273. . . .

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Assessing 21st century behaviour by 1st century beliefs based on a 3rd century publication and its intervening history is fraught with difficulty.

The New Testament doesn't pronounce one way or the other on fox hunting. It also contains some statements which place the poor below certain more transcendent priorities and exclude any that don't work even from basic communal provision within the 'flock'.

Most people pick and choose which aspects of their beliefs take priority and which principles they can sacrifice for pragmatism e.g. Diane Abbott, who decided her son's wishes were more important than her stated views on the subject and sent him to a private school (I don't know whether she paid full fees or he got a scholarship).

Are you a Christian believer yourself Tabby?


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 Post subject: Re: Can you be both a Tory and a Christian?
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No I'm an atheist but I'm well versed in the teachings of the Bible due to bring indoctrinated at school.

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 Post subject: Re: Can you be both a Tory and a Christian?
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Pete wrote:
Are you saying when labour were running the country old people were well off ?


I'm saying Labour's policies and their socialist element is closer to Christianity than that of the Tories. Look after others etc and not just yourself. The latter being the Tory way.

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 Post subject: Re: Can you be both a Tory and a Christian?
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cont. on page 273. . . .

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Tabby Cat wrote:
No I'm an atheist but I'm well versed in the teachings of the Bible due to bring indoctrinated at school.


Fair enough. But indoctrinators usually have their own bias on things. Perhaps if you were encouraged you to build a clear picture of the religion for yourself, you'd be less prescriptive. There are a huge number of approaches to Christianity after all.


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 Post subject: Re: Can you be both a Tory and a Christian?
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Wordsworth60 wrote:
Tabby Cat wrote:
No I'm an atheist but I'm well versed in the teachings of the Bible due to bring indoctrinated at school.


Fair enough. But indoctrinators usually have their own bias on things. Perhaps if you were encouraged you to build a clear picture of the religion for yourself, you'd be less prescriptive. There are a huge number of approaches to Christianity after all.


I wish I had Christian belief. Secure in the knowledge that there is some benevolent, but edgy, old man up there looking after me................But I don't.

Used to. I was Sunday schooled and even baptised, as a kid but as I grew up the silliness of it all broke trough, and I became free.

I mean, just how many can sit at the right hand of God, or believe in angels, cherubs and such.

It's a bit like the numberless virgins waiting for the good Jihadist................they just don't exist.


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 Post subject: Re: Can you be both a Tory and a Christian?
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cont. on page 273. . . .

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Dong wrote:
Wordsworth60 wrote:
Tabby Cat wrote:
No I'm an atheist but I'm well versed in the teachings of the Bible due to bring indoctrinated at school.


Fair enough. But indoctrinators usually have their own bias on things. Perhaps if you were encouraged you to build a clear picture of the religion for yourself, you'd be less prescriptive. There are a huge number of approaches to Christianity after all.


I wish I had Christian belief. Secure in the knowledge that there is some benevolent, but edgy, old man up there looking after me................But I don't.

Used to. I was Sunday schooled and even baptised, as a kid but as I grew up the silliness of it all broke trough, and I became free.

I mean, just how many can sit at the right hand of God, or believe in angels, cherubs and such.

It's a bit like the numberless virgins waiting for the good Jihadist................they just don't exist.


It's not that simple even for many who do believe.


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 Post subject: Re: Can you be both a Tory and a Christian?
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Wordsworth60 wrote:
Tabby Cat wrote:
No I'm an atheist but I'm well versed in the teachings of the Bible due to bring indoctrinated at school.


Fair enough. But indoctrinators usually have their own bias on things. Perhaps if you were encouraged you to build a clear picture of the religion for yourself, you'd be less prescriptive. There are a huge number of approaches to Christianity after all.


Verse from a hymn:

The rich man in his castle,
The poor man at his gate,
God made them high and lowly,
And ordered their estate.

Do other Christian denominations overtly display class and wealth differences? [shrug65465.gif]

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