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 Post subject: My replacement boat
PostPosted: Sat Aug 24, 2019 9:09 pm 
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I've been sailing lazers for years in the Channel. When I wanted time off from the world I'd head out to sea for a few hours mind "resting" :winedrinker:

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Unfortunately I can't sail on my own anymore due to worrying do gooders with no frking life [1744330pz84739fis.gif]

I'm forced to look at bigger boats :crying:
I have to accommodate their needs :rolleyes:
I have to spend real money on this :shock:
Its "green" too :blush:


And I've been looking at the Hanse 315

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This boat new is 100-130k [9n5.gif]

And I'm not being one of those tvvats who buys a secind hand one and spends 5 years fixing it up. [spank.gif]

It ticks all the boxes.... it's got a toilet, cooker and sleeping areas. And I can sail this on my own while my slave master is below decks watching tv :dance:

The cost of this change is astronomical. I'd have to buy a berth in a local marina and take it out the water over the winter months. All this cost money. The cheapest berth I've found was 18k and you still have to pay those "harbour fees" on top :crying:

What I loved about the lazer was how cheap it was to fix and easy to store. :rarrr:

The new boat will now cost me around 5-10k per year even if I never sail it :rolleyes:

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 Post subject: Re: My replacement boat
PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 12:50 am 
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Bit like sitting in the bath tearing up £50 notes.


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 Post subject: Re: My replacement boat
PostPosted: Sun Aug 25, 2019 8:45 am 
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In some ways your right. [eng1.gif]

A boat is only a motorhome or caravan on the water. The only real difference is buy in cost and lack of traffic.

If I was 20 years younger, I'd find a cheap boat on ebay for under 5k and fix it up.

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https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/21ft-4-berth ... SwlkFdWFTS


I may still do this and buy a run down boat.... sending it into a boat yard for a refit. Even gutting the boat out and starting again wouldn't come close to the price of buying new :think:

Over all new boats are custom ordered and hand built. You're always going to pay more for that. :crying:

On the other hand, there is a growing UK rental market. I've paid £200 per day this summer and had to wait for boats to become available too. [9n5.gif]

There a trend for yachts to use the canal network and not just the open sea.

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Who knows if I buy the right boat and rent it out, it may pay for itself in 5 or 10 years [shrug65465.gif]

Then again, I wouldn't be able to sail when the mood took me :think:

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 Post subject: Re: My replacement boat
PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 2:56 pm 
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I was asked the question:

Inflatable paddle board or inflatable dinghy?

Hmmm...

Well this all depends on the weather.

Paddle boards are really good in flat seas with no wind. There tons of them bobing around in the mediterranean. In the UK there only around 4 weeks of the year when conditions are right. The season starts in June and ends in September. There sell for under £200 and easy to store.



What worries me more is the lack of common sense by those using them. No life jackets warn or line attached to the boards. If they fall off out at sea and can't climb back on or the board floats away from them, it's time for the lifeboat....... if they're spotted in time.

Inflatable dinghy are safer and can take ruffer seas. There not so weather depend and there more space. Again you can back them away with little effort. They start at £50




To be fair, I dont like them. It's too easy buy an outboard motor :rolleyes:
Again the basics like wearing a life jacket seem to be forgotten.





Overall......if you want to save money and have fun on water, go to a water sports centre and try everything. Find out what you're buying.

Never go out on the water without a lifejacket. And if some tw*t tells you "you only need a buoyancy aid" make the coont put it on and push them in the water. See how long they last. Take it from me in bad weather there next to useless.

Lifejackets start at £20

https://www.decathlon.co.uk/lj100-adult ... 22168.html

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 Post subject: Re: My replacement boat
PostPosted: Thu Aug 29, 2019 3:04 pm 
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Many years ago I bought a Mirror Dinghy, in bits. I had to glue it together.
The Daily mirror organised events all over the country and it was great fun, until the glue gave way.
I finally sold it to a publican, for a profit.


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 Post subject: Re: My replacement boat
PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:29 am 
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Why don't you buy a big boat and live on?

Hmmm... :think:

There's so much wrong with that question.......I don't know where to start. :rolleyes:

Dong wrote:
Bit like sitting in the bath tearing up £50 notes.


And he's right. The bigger they are, the more they cost to keep. Mooring fees go up, sails cost more and filling up the diesel tank will lead you down the road to bankruptcy :crying:

There is always something to fix too. The maintenance is endless and a full time job. Cleaning inside is continuous. Boats fill up with ants, cockroaches and more. There a houseboat in London that was taken over by bee's last year.

Hygiene plays a factor too. No 9kg washing machines or regular showers: water and electricity are always in short supply. You have just about enough room for a suitcase full of clothes.

Living aboard full time will drive you those you love nuts. Image being trapped inside the house for a week. You can't leave, there no internet or tv, just the radio. 5 days at sea has broken many good relationships.

Fire is always at the back of your mind. The Royal Navy run fire fighting drills regularly for good reason: boats burn out all the time. On a small boat best you can hope for is to get out in time. There no chance of putting the fire out once it takes hold and everything onboard goes up in smoke.

Things hitting you and you hitting them. A few years ago I was sailing off the coast at Seven Sisters and hit a telegraph poll ripping my lazier apart. I have no idea how or why it was floating around in the channel. I had to be rescued by the lifeboat and my boat binned.

The seas are full of rubbish and most of its just below the surface of the water. Hitting it at speed will sinking you.

I've had a few near misses with other boat users too. If you were going to buy a car, you'd need lessons, license and insurance before allowing you on the road. It's not the same at sea. I'd love to say all you need to worry about is jetski's and power boats... but its not. Paddle boards, kite boarders and wind surfers are more of an issue. One or two of them turn right into me with little or no warning.

In the marina's and estuary inexperienced sailors are a hazor. On Rivers too.

Sailing is a ton of fun. It's dangerous, dirty and moist just like me [flash.gif]
I feel everyone should learn to sail and enjoy our coastlines. Teaching independence and skills you won't learn in a classroom :whee:

But living full time on a boat? Are you fcuking mad [1744330pz84739fis.gif]

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 Post subject: Re: My replacement boat
PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 8:36 pm 
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There’s a few luxury yachts moored in the harbour at the moment... couple of million each, I’d wager... at least.

My favourite is the Turkish Gulet though... less ostentatious than some of the more showy types..

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 Post subject: Re: My replacement boat
PostPosted: Sat Aug 31, 2019 11:52 pm 
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Hmmm.... few million is nothing :snooty:

The Black Pearl is the one to watch out for. (50 million pound sailing yachty) :winedrinker:



I'm testing sailing a Viko 21 next week :thumbsup:






Prices start at 14k and it goes on the back of me car :yahoo:

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https://www.vikoyachts.com/index1/price-list

It's a good day sailing boat but may be too small for the channel waters. :crying:

But I'm test sailing a Hanse 388 too :thumbsup:



The base price is 114k + extras and vat :rolleyes:

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 Post subject: Re: My replacement boat
PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:28 am 
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The really big ones don’t venture to this island... too little to do... no casinos, no nightclubs, just a simple Greek island.

A few dusters have turned up, and last year a impressive looking boat sporting the White Ensign...

.. but the Turkish boats just look classier ..

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 Post subject: Re: My replacement boat
PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:44 am 
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Turkish Gulet




There a few for sale.

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https://www.yachtworld.co.uk/boats/1986 ... m-3492872/

They want 86k for it. After boat survey (£1500) it may sell for 45 to 50k. Expect to pay another 30k on repairs after purchase.

The two main issues with this boat are: size and material

Size

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Visitor Berthing
You can book a visitor night at Brighton Marina online, visitor rates start from £3.20 per metre per day.


https://www.premiermarinas.com/UK-Marin ... nd-charges

When you leave your home moorings and head off to pastures new.....this boat will cost around £70 per night to park.

Winter storage is around £30 per meter per month. (£600 for 20 meters x 8 months)
Removing and relaunching with be another £600 each time.

https://www.sheppertonmarina.co.uk/mari ... -standing/

Material

Wooden boats need endless repair. It's a really bad idea to buy one and a full time job keeping them going. I spoke to a few wooden boat owners in the past and while the small 9 meter ones are manageable, anything bigger is a nightmare. Endless days of sanding and varnishing. On a 19 meter boat expect to spend one to two thousand per month just on basic repairs.

I got to see the MALTESE FALCON at Southampton in 2015 :dance:



I felt this boat was a little small for my needs. There are serious doubts if all my thong would fit aboard :blush:

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